Comments on: Sterile Christians are Contradictions: On The Art of Discipleship http://doctrineontap.com/2011/06/23/sterile-christians-are-contradictions-on-the-art-of-discipleship/ God...I thirst for you ~ Ps 63 Thu, 07 May 2015 21:37:05 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Lazo http://doctrineontap.com/2011/06/23/sterile-christians-are-contradictions-on-the-art-of-discipleship/#comment-420 Sun, 26 Jun 2011 23:45:39 +0000 http://christopherlazo.com/?p=1890#comment-420 Thanks for the comment Wanda. That sounds great. ]]> By: Wanda http://doctrineontap.com/2011/06/23/sterile-christians-are-contradictions-on-the-art-of-discipleship/#comment-418 Sat, 25 Jun 2011 22:24:48 +0000 http://christopherlazo.com/?p=1890#comment-418 Discipleship begins in the nursery. Intentional, individualistic discipleship of children is my passion. It entails walking through life with kids.

Sunday Plus is a philosophy of ministry that gets the entire church involved in the discipleship of the children.

We are developing a Children’s Ministry curriculum, however one pastor said, “Wanda you can’t call this Children’s Ministry, it gets the entire church involved in discipleship. Adults who don’t think they need to be discipled will be because they will get involved for the children.”

Disciplers commit to five children to walk through life with. they have little preparation for Sundays or other gatherings (Specialists do the preparation) so they will have time to connect with the kids during the week.

Take a look and let me know what you think. http://www.kidtrek-sundayplus.org/curriculum/

The first year they go through the Old Testament and the second year The New Testament.

We believe in whole-istic ministry, so for instance there is a Bucks and Banking component through which kids, Lord willing, develop a Biblical worldview of finances.

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By: ropersingermany http://doctrineontap.com/2011/06/23/sterile-christians-are-contradictions-on-the-art-of-discipleship/#comment-416 Sat, 25 Jun 2011 21:34:29 +0000 http://christopherlazo.com/?p=1890#comment-416 What I think is important is that we don’t feel the pressure to disciple everyone. We really need the Holy Spirit to lead as to who we are to disciple and then begin ro pour into their lives. That has really helped me over the years. ]]> By: Lazo http://doctrineontap.com/2011/06/23/sterile-christians-are-contradictions-on-the-art-of-discipleship/#comment-415 Sat, 25 Jun 2011 20:11:35 +0000 http://christopherlazo.com/?p=1890#comment-415 I hear you on the time investment, and commitment. This is something that’s convicting me more and more. Making “converts” is easier than making disciples. ]]> By: ropersingermany http://doctrineontap.com/2011/06/23/sterile-christians-are-contradictions-on-the-art-of-discipleship/#comment-414 Sat, 25 Jun 2011 14:22:31 +0000 http://christopherlazo.com/?p=1890#comment-414 So I totally agree. It has just been my experience that many Christians love to talk about discipleship, but not actually live that out.
I personally love it and have been super blessed with all of those that I have been able to disciple over the years.

One thing that I have noticed is that….
Discipleship=Time investment. Both ways.

Many people are not willing to give up there time though.
Don’t want to sound bitter because I am not. This is just what I have seen over the years.

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By: Lazo http://doctrineontap.com/2011/06/23/sterile-christians-are-contradictions-on-the-art-of-discipleship/#comment-413 Fri, 24 Jun 2011 00:25:43 +0000 http://christopherlazo.com/?p=1890#comment-413 It’s easy to “Let’s say,” but difficult to commit to such an involved relationship for 3 years, much less twelve of them. Do you know anyone who’s been doing this successfully besides Jesus? It is effective, but not easy. This takes a person’s whole life….a little bit more rigorous than a weekend brunch with chips and punch. ]]> By: Brandon Cantello http://doctrineontap.com/2011/06/23/sterile-christians-are-contradictions-on-the-art-of-discipleship/#comment-412 Thu, 23 Jun 2011 22:12:46 +0000 http://christopherlazo.com/?p=1890#comment-412 It more than just alleviates the pressure. It solves the problem of the masses. The 12 followed Jesus for 3 years. Lets say we invested in 12 people for three years, and then they each invested in 12 people for three years and so on:

1–>12
12–>144
144–>1728
1728–>20,736
20,736–>248,832
248,832–>2,985,984

What you start with 12 people can reach nearly 3 million people in 15 years. I won’t even meet 3 million people in my entire lifetime. But I can effect 3 million by being faithful with 12. Producing disciples who produce disciples is the only truly effective method of reaching the lost.

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By: Lazo http://doctrineontap.com/2011/06/23/sterile-christians-are-contradictions-on-the-art-of-discipleship/#comment-411 Thu, 23 Jun 2011 20:15:34 +0000 http://christopherlazo.com/?p=1890#comment-411 Lisah, so true. That’s one of the biggest hangups for me, is the sheer overwhelming number. But if we adopted Jesus’ approach, it might actually alleviate that burden….Jesus didn’t concentrate his efforts on the crowds, but on twelve people. What if our whole life revolved around only a handful of people? ]]> By: Lisah http://doctrineontap.com/2011/06/23/sterile-christians-are-contradictions-on-the-art-of-discipleship/#comment-410 Thu, 23 Jun 2011 19:55:10 +0000 http://christopherlazo.com/?p=1890#comment-410 This makes sense, I totally believe it, but it seems so overwhelming. There are so many people in the world! It takes time to invest in people and there are so many people surrounding us that haven’t even heard the gospel. Ahhh it seems like so much. I guess it just takes each of us individually to be obedient, and God will do what He wants with the bigger picture. ]]> By: Lazo http://doctrineontap.com/2011/06/23/sterile-christians-are-contradictions-on-the-art-of-discipleship/#comment-409 Thu, 23 Jun 2011 17:03:26 +0000 http://christopherlazo.com/?p=1890#comment-409 Yes, and his method reverses our typical way of evangelizing, making converts and moving on, or even spending a few days “following up.” That Jesus not only spent his time with the 12, but spent his entire earthly life with them says something. Thanks for the comment bro. ]]>