Comments on: How do you know if someone is saved? http://doctrineontap.com/2011/10/24/how-do-you-know-if-someone-is-saved/ God...I thirst for you ~ Ps 63 Thu, 07 May 2015 21:37:05 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Lazo http://doctrineontap.com/2011/10/24/how-do-you-know-if-someone-is-saved/#comment-855 Thu, 03 Nov 2011 03:18:55 +0000 http://christopherlazo.com/?p=3214#comment-855 Dan, are these personal experiences with people? Because those can be complicated. I can’t really cast assumption on people I don’t know. And I am not really seeing the connection you made between Jesus’ burden being light, and our ability to go through a difficult time as revealing a person’s salvation. Surely, many true believers do not feel the lightness of their burden.

But I CAN say that there seems to be a tension in Scripture. Committing sin does not cut us off from salvation. Yet dwelling in habitual sin without remorse or desire to repent should give us great cause to question our salvation.

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By: dan http://doctrineontap.com/2011/10/24/how-do-you-know-if-someone-is-saved/#comment-854 Thu, 03 Nov 2011 01:22:02 +0000 http://christopherlazo.com/?p=3214#comment-854 would someone be saved if they told you that you standards for christianity are to high. i was told this when i quoted that you should not covet your neighbors wife. one of our comandments from the bible. yet that person says they pray and read the bible. would you say that they are saved by the fruits they produce from their faith. god tells us that he is the vinedresser and will remove the vine that does not produce fruit because it is basicaly worthless. i believe you can study a christian person and through time you will know if they have a true relationship with god and it is not surfacy.what about a women who says she is a christian but abandins her husband and kids,what if that women starts a relationship with another man all though it is not a physical one and she stops going to church and says that church puts a bad taste in her mouth. would that husband be wrong to say that he doesn’t believe she is actualy saved. then would he have grounds for a devorce based on 1 corinthians 7: 15-16.I beleive that if a person has a true relationship with god you can tell because jesus tells us that his yoke is easy and so our burden is light, if a christian goes through a difficult time then you can tell if they are saved because you can se that their burden is light because jesus lives in them and his grace gives them peace. would you agree or disagree. ]]> By: Lazo http://doctrineontap.com/2011/10/24/how-do-you-know-if-someone-is-saved/#comment-840 Wed, 26 Oct 2011 17:07:10 +0000 http://christopherlazo.com/?p=3214#comment-840 I like that. You’re seeing if their worldview still colides!
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By: kylebarton http://doctrineontap.com/2011/10/24/how-do-you-know-if-someone-is-saved/#comment-838 Wed, 26 Oct 2011 04:50:28 +0000 http://christopherlazo.com/?p=3214#comment-838 I see what you are getting at. Yeah that can be hard to tell sometimes especially if you only have a short session with someone.

In my experience a lot of times seeing how they react to the Bible or their attitude toward Christ can say a lot. So often I put out some feelers or drop some lines and see if they bite, just to gauge them or see where they are coming from. And some times there is just a sense that I don’t know, this guy might not be saved. I wouldn’t say I know for sure but just have a little hesitation to believe it. And then based on how open he is with me to talk about God’s word or salvation then I just go from there.

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By: Lazo http://doctrineontap.com/2011/10/24/how-do-you-know-if-someone-is-saved/#comment-837 Wed, 26 Oct 2011 01:55:09 +0000 http://christopherlazo.com/?p=3214#comment-837 Kyle, great depth in your comment. And I would agree with you, except that I’m not talking about our personal assurance of salvation; I’m talking about ways we can ascertain the condition of another person…as in a friendly counseling session. Romans 10:9:-14 wouldn’t always work for that, though it works for my personal salvation. There have been plenty of times I’ve heard someone “call upon the name of the Lord” under pressure, emotion, or deception. I am not the judge of their souls in these cases, however, this shows the possibility that one could fake salvation through confession. Belief cannot be observed through word only.

The Bible doesn’t leave salvation vague for the confessor to be assured by God. But it sure does take some discernment on third parties!

But I understand your point. Salvation is easy to gauge because it’s done entirely by God for us. And I think you indirectly answered the main question in your closing line, anyway. There should be some observable growth in someone who has been saved. My main hangup is that in a fleeting conversation with someone you don’t know very well, this can be hard to understand.

Thanks for the Biblical insights, brotha.

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By: kylebarton http://doctrineontap.com/2011/10/24/how-do-you-know-if-someone-is-saved/#comment-836 Wed, 26 Oct 2011 01:11:02 +0000 http://christopherlazo.com/?p=3214#comment-836 The Bible only presents one requirement for salvation and that is faith. Faith is always accompanied by repentance beforehand and confessing the Lord’s name afterwards.

In Romans 10:9-14 Paul mentions both believing and confessing the Lord’s name, but eventually emphasizes calling on the Lord’s name. If someone calls on the Lord’s name sincerely, then he must believe. I suppose Paul leaves us with “Whoever calls upon the Lord’s name shall be saved” because it is visible and before men and is a sure sign that someone has received the Lord. If we have any doubt we can help them by asking, “Wow, you must have believed into the Lord.” This conversation will clear up any doubt and we and they can know once and for all that they have been saved.

Then we can help them with 1 John 5:13 “I have written these things that you may know that you have eternal life, to you who believe into the name of the Son of God.” Have you believed? Then you have eternal life. We can know. Regarding our eternal salvation, we don’t have to live our life in suspense until we die and see what the Lord says then. We can know for certain that we have it and then get on to enjoying it by loving the Lord and growing in His life.

The Bible doesn’t leave vague something this crucial to God’s purpose and our destiny.

Sure loving God is a sign that someone is saved, but it is not the factor of His salvation. Like you point out, God’s love is. There may come days when our heart is cold toward God and it seems that our love is not there anymore. But this hasn’t shaken our salvation because our salvation is prepared and initiated by God. On days like this we can help people with Romans 8:16, “The Spirit Himself witnesses with our spirit that we are children of God.” There is a witness deep within every believer regardless of there condition that assures them that they are saved.

If they feel like they’ve done something to loose there salvation or that God could never forgive them for what they have done, then we can help them with John 10:28, “I give to them eternal life, and they shall by no means perish forever…”

God’s love is the source of our eternal salvation, His grace is the means of salvation, and His righteousness is the power of salvation.

As far as your last question, how can someone grow if they are not born again?

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