Comments on: Reproduction vs. Reciprocity (5 Reasons We Don’t See Discipleship) http://doctrineontap.com/2011/10/26/reproduction-vs-reciprocity-5-reasons-we-dont-see-discipleship/ God...I thirst for you ~ Ps 63 Thu, 07 May 2015 21:37:05 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Lazo http://doctrineontap.com/2011/10/26/reproduction-vs-reciprocity-5-reasons-we-dont-see-discipleship/comment-page-1/#comment-853 Wed, 02 Nov 2011 03:30:20 +0000 http://christopherlazo.com/?p=3238#comment-853 I agree with not preaching ourselves, not getting in the way, and not pointing to ourselves. But those things do not necessarily imply a connection between discipleship and methodology. Methodology is as good or as “in the way” as we choose to make it. And let’s be honest, we do use some methodology to attract people. We open our doors every week, whether church building or fellowship. The issue is wrong methodology. ]]> By: Matthew http://doctrineontap.com/2011/10/26/reproduction-vs-reciprocity-5-reasons-we-dont-see-discipleship/comment-page-1/#comment-852 Wed, 02 Nov 2011 02:45:45 +0000 http://christopherlazo.com/?p=3238#comment-852 I thought of a couple of things when I read this post and the latest one;

1) Often we don’t do as the apostle Paul did. We actually preach ourselves. “What does it mean to “not preach ourselves?” It means that we don’t put ourselves forward as the appeal to unbelievers in our ministry. We don’t make our methodology or our style the draw. We don’t appeal to that which is fleshly or worldly in the unbeliever in order to attract and compel their participation. Instead, we do everything we can to get ourselves out of the way so as to be merely incidental—merely the finger that points to the substance, to the content of the message: that Jesus Christ is Lord”.

2) http://www.anchoredintruth.org/default.aspx?p=80337&beid=115444

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By: Nathalie http://doctrineontap.com/2011/10/26/reproduction-vs-reciprocity-5-reasons-we-dont-see-discipleship/comment-page-1/#comment-846 Thu, 27 Oct 2011 23:38:55 +0000 http://christopherlazo.com/?p=3238#comment-846 Love it! This is right on Lazo! ]]> By: GallBR http://doctrineontap.com/2011/10/26/reproduction-vs-reciprocity-5-reasons-we-dont-see-discipleship/comment-page-1/#comment-844 Thu, 27 Oct 2011 16:24:33 +0000 http://christopherlazo.com/?p=3238#comment-844 (Prying open legalism in ‘seasoned’ believers) You’re right, it’s nothing new. I think it’s motivated by fear/reward. If I follow the rules, God will do what I want him to, if I don’t follow the rules, I’ll reap the consequences. After a while the FOCUS of our ‘walk’ should change. Instead of being worried about following the rules, we need to be focused on others who may not have hope and transformation in their lives <– It should break our heart. Too often I see 'church-goers' stuck on their own lives as an ongoing spiritual project, and forgetting to share the grace they've been given. Thanks for the reply. ]]> By: Lazo http://doctrineontap.com/2011/10/26/reproduction-vs-reciprocity-5-reasons-we-dont-see-discipleship/comment-page-1/#comment-843 Wed, 26 Oct 2011 17:17:38 +0000 http://christopherlazo.com/?p=3238#comment-843 Thanks Kyle. This topic has kept me up a few nights…
If there’s one thing I feel like I should get right, it’s this one. ]]>
By: Lazo http://doctrineontap.com/2011/10/26/reproduction-vs-reciprocity-5-reasons-we-dont-see-discipleship/comment-page-1/#comment-842 Wed, 26 Oct 2011 17:16:21 +0000 http://christopherlazo.com/?p=3238#comment-842 I think you hit on a crucial distinction. Something that is “a necessary phase,” yet can be so easily become legalistic (as all good things are!).

I’ve been trying really hard recently to pry this open. I know we’re not going to discover anything new from the last 2,000 years, but sometimes I feel like a good detox is in order on occasion, you know?

For me, I’ve been reading (and rereading) the life of Jesus, and how he discipled his disciples. And it’s hard for me to ignore the simplicity. It seems like the disciples observed his life, then tried it out for themselves! Maybe those elements you brought up (Word, prayer, etc), being vital to discipleship, can only be effectively observed through the right person…?

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By: Kyle http://doctrineontap.com/2011/10/26/reproduction-vs-reciprocity-5-reasons-we-dont-see-discipleship/comment-page-1/#comment-841 Wed, 26 Oct 2011 17:07:24 +0000 http://christopherlazo.com/?p=3238#comment-841 Great post Lazo! Love the five points. These are so huge. I’m very interested in this too. Thanks for articulating what many Christians are feeling. ]]> By: GallBR http://doctrineontap.com/2011/10/26/reproduction-vs-reciprocity-5-reasons-we-dont-see-discipleship/comment-page-1/#comment-839 Wed, 26 Oct 2011 15:38:14 +0000 http://christopherlazo.com/?p=3238#comment-839 This has sort of been on my mind lately– what does it mean to be discipled? and why do many in the church never seem to get there? I was in a discussion recently, with a new believer, and a seasoned church-goer. The new believer talked about making time to pray, read his bible, and being careful about where/who with he chose to hang out. I’ve seen this seemingly legalistic attitude with new believers– it’s a necessary phase I think, adjusting to a brand new way of living takes discipline. BUT– I hear the same type of legalism with ‘old’ Christians– worried about who they are hanging out with, how much they are praying, reading Bible. Of course ‘being transformed by the renewing of your mind’ and ‘taking up the cross daily’ is a part of Christian life– but being discipled means taking the training wheels off– Discipled Christians can’t help but share with OTHERS, instead of being constantly concerned with how their personal spiritual life is going. God gives us grace and healing in order for us to pass grace and healing on to OTHERS. ]]>