Comments on: A life of radical simplicity God...I thirst for you ~ Ps 63 Thu, 07 May 2015 21:37:05 +0000 hourly 1 By: joelinux Fri, 24 Oct 2014 14:39:08 +0000 Er…yeah…you are totally right on that one. The concept is sound, but the use of TULIP was off base. It’s sort of a combo of T (Total Depravity) and U (Unconditional Election).

Basically, if I’m reading this right (and I’d like to think I am), God only saved the elect/predestined.

Who the elect are, and how God selects them is his business, according to that doctrine.

By: Lazo Wed, 22 Oct 2014 17:03:55 +0000 Gosh, thats such a sobering passage. The “scum of the world.”

Thanks Bethany

By: bethstets Wed, 22 Oct 2014 17:01:51 +0000 This is right on Lazo. It’s funny (sad funny) that the word “apostle” has been hijacked by certain groups as a glamour title. And apart from that, to seek to live like the apostles seems glamorously radical and spiritual and amazing. It is, but not by human standards. It gives me chills when I read Pauls description in 1 Corinthians 4. I hope by God’s grace to follow their example.

“9 For I think that God has exhibited us apostles as last of all, like men sentenced to death, because we have become a spectacle to the world, to angels, and to men.
10 We are fools for Christ’s sake, but you are wise in Christ. We are weak, but you are strong. You are held in honor, but we in disrepute.
11 To the present hour we hunger and thirst, we are poorly dressed and buffeted and homeless,
12 and we labor, working with our own hands. When reviled, we bless; when persecuted, we endure;
13 when slandered, we entreat. We have become, and are still, like the scum of the world, the refuse of all things.”

By: Lazo Wed, 22 Oct 2014 15:15:58 +0000 Joe,
The “P” in TULIP stands for perseverance [of the saints]. But yes, a similar idea that a believer’s assurance is connected to the fruit of their lives–whether or not they persevere. I think it has a lot of merit, but can be abused like much of anything else.

I haven’t heard that take on predestination to social success before. Interesting.


By: joelinux Wed, 22 Oct 2014 15:11:04 +0000 Excellent post Chris.

I’ve always postulated that the Christianity we view today is a result of the “Protestant work ethic.”

The early Protestant movement had strong Calvinist leanings, following the TULIP acronym precepts. The “P” in TULIP is the idea was that only those who were “P”redestined to be saved would be.

Among the indicators that you were predestined was Social/Christian Success and wealth. So, in an effort to make sure they were one of the predestined, or at least had the outward appearance of being predestined, they worked to ensure they were successful at what they did, including pressure to be a “Christian Superstar”. I think that attitude carries over to today.

Not to say we should slack off in our given occupation, as there are many verses that state otherwise (Colossians 3:17, 2 Timothy 2:6, Ephesians 4:28, Ecclesiastes 2:24) But I wonder if we aren’t doing it for the wrong reasons, whether or not we are aware of its historical context?

Anywho, that’s just my $.02 ($.022 Canadian).